Why play in college

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Anonymous wrote:All of which will still be fully attainable via club sports at each college if the future of the NCAA goes the way people are thinking.

College soccer is going nowhere. On the women's side I can say that as an absolute. But most likely on the men's side as well. While there could be changes -- all will be navigated. Schools do not want to give up sports. Title IX will also still require women's sports to match men's.

Define going nowhere. Pro? What percentage of college players also have the ambition to play pro? Club sports can be high performing, but not all schools have club sports that are. I think a player that is good enough for college would be bored/unmotivated by a vast majority of club soccer programs. Again the common theme I am seeing is that folks feel like there is only one pathway or one reason to continue playing in college. For those interested in the pro route, then yes college soccer might not be the best pathway. But it should be noted that there are MANY reasons to play in college. It should also be noted what pathway you are talking about when you say college soccer isn't going anywhere. Clarity here is key.

Almost no college soccer players have interest playing pro. Maybe 60-80 a year have any interest and less than half of that will play. What I was saying is that College soccer is here to stay and nothing about court cases or anything else will change that. As a pathway to the pros? Who cares? Women's pro soccer is great. Just went to the Spirit game. But I am not sure that there are many that want to play pro.

Thank you for your feedback coach pay to play.

However most young girls do dream about playing professionally. At least until you ruin it for them.

Is coach pay to play supposed to coach for free?

False premise. Read Michael Lewis on the cancer that is travel sports. It started with soccer but has moved to other sports like softball because pure profit drives this more than player development. Much like American football it should be the high school where soccer players get recruited for soccer not club. College coaches are the driver. If they recruited more from high school - particularly for DIii travel would die.

It is ridiculous situation currently where real athletes must compete with Daddy Deep pockets for space on club teams.

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Anonymous wrote:All of which will still be fully attainable via club sports at each college if the future of the NCAA goes the way people are thinking.

College soccer is going nowhere. On the women's side I can say that as an absolute. But most likely on the men's side as well. While there could be changes -- all will be navigated. Schools do not want to give up sports. Title IX will also still require women's sports to match men's.

Define going nowhere. Pro? What percentage of college players also have the ambition to play pro? Club sports can be high performing, but not all schools have club sports that are. I think a player that is good enough for college would be bored/unmotivated by a vast majority of club soccer programs. Again the common theme I am seeing is that folks feel like there is only one pathway or one reason to continue playing in college. For those interested in the pro route, then yes college soccer might not be the best pathway. But it should be noted that there are MANY reasons to play in college. It should also be noted what pathway you are talking about when you say college soccer isn't going anywhere. Clarity here is key.

Almost no college soccer players have interest playing pro. Maybe 60-80 a year have any interest and less than half of that will play. What I was saying is that College soccer is here to stay and nothing about court cases or anything else will change that. As a pathway to the pros? Who cares? Women's pro soccer is great. Just went to the Spirit game. But I am not sure that there are many that want to play pro.

Thank you for your feedback coach pay to play.

However most young girls do dream about playing professionally. At least until you ruin it for them.

Is coach pay to play supposed to coach for free?

False premise. Read Michael Lewis on the cancer that is travel sports. It started with soccer but has moved to other sports like softball because pure profit drives this more than player development. Much like American football it should be the high school where soccer players get recruited for soccer not club. College coaches are the driver. If they recruited more from high school - particularly for DIii travel would die.

It is ridiculous situation currently where real athletes must compete with Daddy Deep pockets for space on club teams.

com'on some of the daddy deep pockets kids are real athletes and also have platinum cards

college coaches don't need to go to high schools, because if you're playing in high school and good enough for college, you're also playing on a travel team

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Anonymous wrote:You could ask the same question about why do anything in college? Why join the marching band or a sorority or work at the school newspaper? Presumably because it's something you enjoy doing. All of these things take up time and end once college is over but they are still activities that provide enjoyment and instill a lot of valuable life lessons that will serve them in the future.

This. The point is get involved in something. Two of my kids are at big 10 schools pursuing science degrees. One is a D1 athlete and the other does extracurricular music clubs. Both are learning so much through their involvement and probably invest a similar amount of time on them.

As someone pointed out participation in the D1 has its perks: scholarship, meals and academics supports (registers early and has weekly academic advising- if his grades slip it is addressed.)

I trust the skills they’ve gathered will be useful I also hope it’ll be recognized as having some value once they enter the workforce.

Good luck!

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Anonymous wrote:All of which will still be fully attainable via club sports at each college if the future of the NCAA goes the way people are thinking.

College soccer is going nowhere. On the women's side I can say that as an absolute. But most likely on the men's side as well. While there could be changes -- all will be navigated. Schools do not want to give up sports. Title IX will also still require women's sports to match men's.

Define going nowhere. Pro? What percentage of college players also have the ambition to play pro? Club sports can be high performing, but not all schools have club sports that are. I think a player that is good enough for college would be bored/unmotivated by a vast majority of club soccer programs. Again the common theme I am seeing is that folks feel like there is only one pathway or one reason to continue playing in college. For those interested in the pro route, then yes college soccer might not be the best pathway. But it should be noted that there are MANY reasons to play in college. It should also be noted what pathway you are talking about when you say college soccer isn't going anywhere. Clarity here is key.

Almost no college soccer players have interest playing pro. Maybe 60-80 a year have any interest and less than half of that will play. What I was saying is that College soccer is here to stay and nothing about court cases or anything else will change that. As a pathway to the pros? Who cares? Women's pro soccer is great. Just went to the Spirit game. But I am not sure that there are many that want to play pro.

Thank you for your feedback coach pay to play.

However most young girls do dream about playing professionally. At least until you ruin it for them.

Is coach pay to play supposed to coach for free?

Pay-to-play isn't the sin within itself
It's how much we pay and what we get in return that's the problem

It's more than that. Pay to play creates an expectation that players need to pay $$$ to train and get better.

Unfortunaly for girls right now there's no free options for training. When this changes pay to play will be acceptable.

Why would p2p be acceptable if free training is available? don't understand

It's what free vs p2p training represent.

Free training = Academy development. Top talent plays everyone else gets shifted through the system. In this type of environment generally everyone plays up. The idea is to identify high level talent in the shortest time. Identified talent gets sold off via transfer fees and this is what pays for all the players development.

P2P training = Player funded development. Talent pays for their development. In this configuration deepest pockets will get developed to the highest level. Is this a good or bad thing? Nobody really knows.

Wiith girls free training doesn't currently exist in America.

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Anonymous wrote:Many of DC's teammates seem obsessed with being able to play in college. They are strong students from UMC families so this is not their only pathway to getting into college. Very few college players go pro. Most of the ones I know who played in college and kept up with soccer became children's soccer coaches. The rest had a variety of careers completely unrelated to soccer.

Troll

Why are you calling OP a troll? This is a legitimate question and one that more families should be asking. The amount of time and money that families pour into girls youth soccer with the goal of playing in college is significant. It makes sense to step back to see whether that investment is worth the return. The ROI doesn't have to just be financial - there are non-financial reasons to participate in youth sports, but so many families seem to think that their kid will get a full ride to an amazing school on a soccer scholarship and that is not the reality.

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Anonymous wrote:All of which will still be fully attainable via club sports at each college if the future of the NCAA goes the way people are thinking.

College soccer is going nowhere. On the women's side I can say that as an absolute. But most likely on the men's side as well. While there could be changes -- all will be navigated. Schools do not want to give up sports. Title IX will also still require women's sports to match men's.

Define going nowhere. Pro? What percentage of college players also have the ambition to play pro? Club sports can be high performing, but not all schools have club sports that are. I think a player that is good enough for college would be bored/unmotivated by a vast majority of club soccer programs. Again the common theme I am seeing is that folks feel like there is only one pathway or one reason to continue playing in college. For those interested in the pro route, then yes college soccer might not be the best pathway. But it should be noted that there are MANY reasons to play in college. It should also be noted what pathway you are talking about when you say college soccer isn't going anywhere. Clarity here is key.

Almost no college soccer players have interest playing pro. Maybe 60-80 a year have any interest and less than half of that will play. What I was saying is that College soccer is here to stay and nothing about court cases or anything else will change that. As a pathway to the pros? Who cares? Women's pro soccer is great. Just went to the Spirit game. But I am not sure that there are many that want to play pro.

Thank you for your feedback coach pay to play.

However most young girls do dream about playing professionally. At least until you ruin it for them.

Is coach pay to play supposed to coach for free?

False premise. Read Michael Lewis on the cancer that is travel sports. It started with soccer but has moved to other sports like softball because pure profit drives this more than player development. Much like American football it should be the high school where soccer players get recruited for soccer not club. College coaches are the driver. If they recruited more from high school - particularly for DIii travel would die.

It is ridiculous situation currently where real athletes must compete with Daddy Deep pockets for space on club teams.

com'on some of the daddy deep pockets kids are real athletes and also have platinum cards

college coaches don't need to go to high schools, because if you're playing in high school and good enough for college, you're also playing on a travel team

Fact. If college soccer coaches recruited out of high schools - like basketball, baseball and football - club would die on vine. Good riddance!

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Anonymous wrote:All of which will still be fully attainable via club sports at each college if the future of the NCAA goes the way people are thinking.

College soccer is going nowhere. On the women's side I can say that as an absolute. But most likely on the men's side as well. While there could be changes -- all will be navigated. Schools do not want to give up sports. Title IX will also still require women's sports to match men's.

Define going nowhere. Pro? What percentage of college players also have the ambition to play pro? Club sports can be high performing, but not all schools have club sports that are. I think a player that is good enough for college would be bored/unmotivated by a vast majority of club soccer programs. Again the common theme I am seeing is that folks feel like there is only one pathway or one reason to continue playing in college. For those interested in the pro route, then yes college soccer might not be the best pathway. But it should be noted that there are MANY reasons to play in college. It should also be noted what pathway you are talking about when you say college soccer isn't going anywhere. Clarity here is key.

Almost no college soccer players have interest playing pro. Maybe 60-80 a year have any interest and less than half of that will play. What I was saying is that College soccer is here to stay and nothing about court cases or anything else will change that. As a pathway to the pros? Who cares? Women's pro soccer is great. Just went to the Spirit game. But I am not sure that there are many that want to play pro.

Thank you for your feedback coach pay to play.

However most young girls do dream about playing professionally. At least until you ruin it for them.

Is coach pay to play supposed to coach for free?

False premise. Read Michael Lewis on the cancer that is travel sports. It started with soccer but has moved to other sports like softball because pure profit drives this more than player development. Much like American football it should be the high school where soccer players get recruited for soccer not club. College coaches are the driver. If they recruited more from high school - particularly for DIii travel would die.

It is ridiculous situation currently where real athletes must compete with Daddy Deep pockets for space on club teams.

com'on some of the daddy deep pockets kids are real athletes and also have platinum cards

college coaches don't need to go to high schools, because if you're playing in high school and good enough for college, you're also playing on a travel team

Fact. If college soccer coaches recruited out of high schools - like basketball, baseball and football - club would die on vine. Good riddance!

do basketball and baseball players only practice at school and play school competitions?

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which michael lewis book is about travel sports

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Anonymous wrote:All of which will still be fully attainable via club sports at each college if the future of the NCAA goes the way people are thinking.

College soccer is going nowhere. On the women's side I can say that as an absolute. But most likely on the men's side as well. While there could be changes -- all will be navigated. Schools do not want to give up sports. Title IX will also still require women's sports to match men's.

Define going nowhere. Pro? What percentage of college players also have the ambition to play pro? Club sports can be high performing, but not all schools have club sports that are. I think a player that is good enough for college would be bored/unmotivated by a vast majority of club soccer programs. Again the common theme I am seeing is that folks feel like there is only one pathway or one reason to continue playing in college. For those interested in the pro route, then yes college soccer might not be the best pathway. But it should be noted that there are MANY reasons to play in college. It should also be noted what pathway you are talking about when you say college soccer isn't going anywhere. Clarity here is key.

Almost no college soccer players have interest playing pro. Maybe 60-80 a year have any interest and less than half of that will play. What I was saying is that College soccer is here to stay and nothing about court cases or anything else will change that. As a pathway to the pros? Who cares? Women's pro soccer is great. Just went to the Spirit game. But I am not sure that there are many that want to play pro.

Thank you for your feedback coach pay to play.

However most young girls do dream about playing professionally. At least until you ruin it for them.

Is coach pay to play supposed to coach for free?

False premise. Read Michael Lewis on the cancer that is travel sports. It started with soccer but has moved to other sports like softball because pure profit drives this more than player development. Much like American football it should be the high school where soccer players get recruited for soccer not club. College coaches are the driver. If they recruited more from high school - particularly for DIii travel would die.

It is ridiculous situation currently where real athletes must compete with Daddy Deep pockets for space on club teams.

com'on some of the daddy deep pockets kids are real athletes and also have platinum cards

college coaches don't need to go to high schools, because if you're playing in high school and good enough for college, you're also playing on a travel team

Fact. If college soccer coaches recruited out of high schools - like basketball, baseball and football - club would die on vine. Good riddance!

This “Fact” is absurd and reductive. Club woudn’t die on the vine, instead you would see far less diversity and quality in women’s college soccer because most schools don’t have budget to go to random HS games. So college coaches would recruit from the drivable distance and then depend on the rich kids who can afford to fly to ID sessions to create their teams.

The whole train of thought is stupid and I shouldn’t have participated. You can’t prevent college coaches from recruiting at bigger showcases and tournaments so comments like the one above and a waste of time.

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Anonymous wrote:Many of DC's teammates seem obsessed with being able to play in college. They are strong students from UMC families so this is not their only pathway to getting into college. Very few college players go pro. Most of the ones I know who played in college and kept up with soccer became children's soccer coaches. The rest had a variety of careers completely unrelated to soccer.

Troll

Why are you calling OP a troll? This is a legitimate question and one that more families should be asking. The amount of time and money that families pour into girls youth soccer with the goal of playing in college is significant. It makes sense to step back to see whether that investment is worth the return. The ROI doesn't have to just be financial - there are non-financial reasons to participate in youth sports, but so many families seem to think that their kid will get a full ride to an amazing school on a soccer scholarship and that is not the reality.

In the US girls soccer at the highest level is a rich person or UMC person sport. Sure there are others and many are looking for scholarships. But the rich and UMC don't need it -- they will take it but they don't need it. Those girls are leveraging soccer to get to a better school or lock in the school they want. This is really true in this area where Arlington, bethesda, McLean, and to a lesser extend VDA and NVA are filled with rich and UMC kids.

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Anonymous wrote:All of which will still be fully attainable via club sports at each college if the future of the NCAA goes the way people are thinking.

College soccer is going nowhere. On the women's side I can say that as an absolute. But most likely on the men's side as well. While there could be changes -- all will be navigated. Schools do not want to give up sports. Title IX will also still require women's sports to match men's.

Define going nowhere. Pro? What percentage of college players also have the ambition to play pro? Club sports can be high performing, but not all schools have club sports that are. I think a player that is good enough for college would be bored/unmotivated by a vast majority of club soccer programs. Again the common theme I am seeing is that folks feel like there is only one pathway or one reason to continue playing in college. For those interested in the pro route, then yes college soccer might not be the best pathway. But it should be noted that there are MANY reasons to play in college. It should also be noted what pathway you are talking about when you say college soccer isn't going anywhere. Clarity here is key.

Almost no college soccer players have interest playing pro. Maybe 60-80 a year have any interest and less than half of that will play. What I was saying is that College soccer is here to stay and nothing about court cases or anything else will change that. As a pathway to the pros? Who cares? Women's pro soccer is great. Just went to the Spirit game. But I am not sure that there are many that want to play pro.

Thank you for your feedback coach pay to play.

However most young girls do dream about playing professionally. At least until you ruin it for them.

Is coach pay to play supposed to coach for free?

False premise. Read Michael Lewis on the cancer that is travel sports. It started with soccer but has moved to other sports like softball because pure profit drives this more than player development. Much like American football it should be the high school where soccer players get recruited for soccer not club. College coaches are the driver. If they recruited more from high school - particularly for DIii travel would die.

It is ridiculous situation currently where real athletes must compete with Daddy Deep pockets for space on club teams.

com'on some of the daddy deep pockets kids are real athletes and also have platinum cards

college coaches don't need to go to high schools, because if you're playing in high school and good enough for college, you're also playing on a travel team

Fact. If college soccer coaches recruited out of high schools - like basketball, baseball and football - club would die on vine. Good riddance!

This is just false. One high school will not have the talent to develop an even decent soccer team that would help develop someone. You can't just pick up soccer like you can football. A kid can never have played organized football and by Junior year be all state and looking at 50 D-1 offers. Happens all the time. If a kid ever played soccer no way that happens.

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Anonymous wrote:All of which will still be fully attainable via club sports at each college if the future of the NCAA goes the way people are thinking.

College soccer is going nowhere. On the women's side I can say that as an absolute. But most likely on the men's side as well. While there could be changes -- all will be navigated. Schools do not want to give up sports. Title IX will also still require women's sports to match men's.

Define going nowhere. Pro? What percentage of college players also have the ambition to play pro? Club sports can be high performing, but not all schools have club sports that are. I think a player that is good enough for college would be bored/unmotivated by a vast majority of club soccer programs. Again the common theme I am seeing is that folks feel like there is only one pathway or one reason to continue playing in college. For those interested in the pro route, then yes college soccer might not be the best pathway. But it should be noted that there are MANY reasons to play in college. It should also be noted what pathway you are talking about when you say college soccer isn't going anywhere. Clarity here is key.

Almost no college soccer players have interest playing pro. Maybe 60-80 a year have any interest and less than half of that will play. What I was saying is that College soccer is here to stay and nothing about court cases or anything else will change that. As a pathway to the pros? Who cares? Women's pro soccer is great. Just went to the Spirit game. But I am not sure that there are many that want to play pro.

Thank you for your feedback coach pay to play.

However most young girls do dream about playing professionally. At least until you ruin it for them.

Is coach pay to play supposed to coach for free?

False premise. Read Michael Lewis on the cancer that is travel sports. It started with soccer but has moved to other sports like softball because pure profit drives this more than player development. Much like American football it should be the high school where soccer players get recruited for soccer not club. College coaches are the driver. If they recruited more from high school - particularly for DIii travel would die.

It is ridiculous situation currently where real athletes must compete with Daddy Deep pockets for space on club teams.

com'on some of the daddy deep pockets kids are real athletes and also have platinum cards

college coaches don't need to go to high schools, because if you're playing in high school and good enough for college, you're also playing on a travel team

Fact. If college soccer coaches recruited out of high schools - like basketball, baseball and football - club would die on vine. Good riddance!

Trusting high school soccer coaches to develop players? Really?

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Anonymous wrote:For certain professions (particularly business) it’s a sign that you can handle pressure, like competition and are driven. Ask me how many D1 athletes work at the big banks.

Good point. I work at a Fortune 50 company that targets former military and former athletes for their time management, commitment level and 'team player' aspects.

Yep, I work in recruiting at a large law firm and we look for college athletes. It shows grit and determination and means youre used to demanding schedules.

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Anonymous wrote:Many of DC's teammates seem obsessed with being able to play in college. They are strong students from UMC families so this is not their only pathway to getting into college. Very few college players go pro. Most of the ones I know who played in college and kept up with soccer became children's soccer coaches. The rest had a variety of careers completely unrelated to soccer.

Troll

Why are you calling OP a troll? This is a legitimate question and one that more families should be asking. The amount of time and money that families pour into girls youth soccer with the goal of playing in college is significant. It makes sense to step back to see whether that investment is worth the return. The ROI doesn't have to just be financial - there are non-financial reasons to participate in youth sports, but so many families seem to think that their kid will get a full ride to an amazing school on a soccer scholarship and that is not the reality.

In the US girls soccer at the highest level is a rich person or UMC person sport. Sure there are others and many are looking for scholarships. But the rich and UMC don't need it -- they will take it but they don't need it. Those girls are leveraging soccer to get to a better school or lock in the school they want. This is really true in this area where Arlington, bethesda, McLean, and to a lesser extend VDA and NVA are filled with rich and UMC kids.

I’ve had multiple DC’s go through VDA. Rich kids? There are some, just like everywhere. That’s not the norm though by a long shot. By far, the most diverse ECNL/MLSN program in DMV.

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Anonymous wrote:All of which will still be fully attainable via club sports at each college if the future of the NCAA goes the way people are thinking.

College soccer is going nowhere. On the women's side I can say that as an absolute. But most likely on the men's side as well. While there could be changes -- all will be navigated. Schools do not want to give up sports. Title IX will also still require women's sports to match men's.

Define going nowhere. Pro? What percentage of college players also have the ambition to play pro? Club sports can be high performing, but not all schools have club sports that are. I think a player that is good enough for college would be bored/unmotivated by a vast majority of club soccer programs. Again the common theme I am seeing is that folks feel like there is only one pathway or one reason to continue playing in college. For those interested in the pro route, then yes college soccer might not be the best pathway. But it should be noted that there are MANY reasons to play in college. It should also be noted what pathway you are talking about when you say college soccer isn't going anywhere. Clarity here is key.

Almost no college soccer players have interest playing pro. Maybe 60-80 a year have any interest and less than half of that will play. What I was saying is that College soccer is here to stay and nothing about court cases or anything else will change that. As a pathway to the pros? Who cares? Women's pro soccer is great. Just went to the Spirit game. But I am not sure that there are many that want to play pro.

Thank you for your feedback coach pay to play.

However most young girls do dream about playing professionally. At least until you ruin it for them.

Is coach pay to play supposed to coach for free?

False premise. Read Michael Lewis on the cancer that is travel sports. It started with soccer but has moved to other sports like softball because pure profit drives this more than player development. Much like American football it should be the high school where soccer players get recruited for soccer not club. College coaches are the driver. If they recruited more from high school - particularly for DIii travel would die.

It is ridiculous situation currently where real athletes must compete with Daddy Deep pockets for space on club teams.

False premise. American football is a sport where someone can not play until college or senior year of high school and end up being a professional player.