Protests on college campuses

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Jeff may give me another time out for posting this. But yeah - calling for eliminating Hillel is antisemitic. Yes, it is.

My problem is you can't have it both ways. You can't decry Palestinian protestors who have ties to national orgs, while saying this demand is a problem. A quick Google search shows that support for Israel is an official policy of Hillel and is funded by big donors, making it essentially political* despite its effectiveness for providing a safe space for Jewish students. I've also seen people protest Northwestern giving in to protestors who wanted a Palestinian/Muslim safe place. Make it equal.

I also think this Tweeter loses credibility because there is nothing pro-Hamas in that document.

*"Joel transformed the funding structure of Hillel International to rely more on private funding from large donors, many of whom were strong supporters of Israel. The influence of these large donors grew until support for Israel became an official policy of Hillel International in 2010."
https://www.influencewatch.org/non-profit/hillel-international/#:~:text=Joel%20transformed%20the%20funding%20structure,were%20strong%20supporters%20of%20Israel.

No student has a right to limit what other students can do based on a relationship with another nation’s politics. That’s pure discrimination based on nationality as well as viewpoint discrimination.

The problem is that "israel" is being equated with judiasm, or being Jewish.

I am an American Jew who supports Israel's right to exist and also supports the Palestinians right to exist, and hate Hamas and Likud equally.

Where do these movements leave someone like me?

they leave you in the majority. i'm an american jew who feels the exact same - and so do almost all the other jews i know. we are the MAJORITY.

groups like hillel are not out crying for the extermination of palestinians, either.

unlike the college protesters crying out for the erasure of people like us.

The semantics don't change the facts. If Hillel supports the State of Israel, that means that Hillel supports the direction taken by its leadership. Israel's leadership has demonstrated through its words and actions that it is intent on the extermination of Palestinians. Therefore, Hillel is not only supportive of genocide, but they shouldn't be permitted as a campus organization. Unless they change their charter to reflect support for Jewish students in the U.S. and redact the parts of their mission related to Israel, it's a problem that needs to be addressed. And yes, I feel the exact same way if there are other groups with charters that reflect a mission to aid or support any other foreign state.

no, that is not what it means. it is not what it means at all.

when trump was taking babies away from their parents at the border, did you support that? i sure as he** did not. when red states are taking away reproductive rights, do you support that? i do NOT.

there are massive protests IN ISRAEL over this war. do you know that? do you care? do you have any understanding of any of this? or are you just so comfortable in your judgments that why would you bother to learn?

i believe israel has a right to exist. i oppose this current israeli government as strongly as someone who is not an israeli citizen can. those two things are not in contradiction - and represent the views of MOST american jews.

NP. So why as a form of protest are you against people asking the campus Hillel groups to divest from Hillel international until they stop supporting the actions of the Israeli govt? As you say, plenty of Israeli people are protesting against the Israeli govt in Israel. The request is not anti Semitic. It’s yet another way to out pressure on the current govt.

For the record, I strongly think this is a two way street. I believe the protestors who are connected to Hamas should be called out. And counter-protestors are not only in the right, but I would argue have an obligation to point this out and ask protest groups/palestinian support groups etc to divest financially and from using the symbols of Hamas (like the picture of the guy with the terrorist headband).

where do you see hillel as being fans of netanyahu?! here are their guidelines - please point me to the part that you think means they want a one state solution because that isn't my experience with hillel and i don't see it anywhere.

https://www.hillel.org/israel-guidelines/

“ In 2016, Hillel International partnered with the Israeli government on Mosaic International, a $66 million initiative to promote pro-Israel sentiment in the United States. Hillel received $22 million from Mosaic.”

https://www.influencewatch.org/non-profit/hillel-international/#:~:text=In%202016%2C%20Hillel%20International%20partnered,received%20%2422%20million%20from%20Mosaic.


Nothing wrong with that of course. But also nothing wrong with asking campus Hillel groups (which primarily serve to support Jewish students) to pull back from Hillel international as a way to protest Israel’s actions.

because it’s none of the non-Hillel students business. It’s exactly like demanding Newman Centers break ties with the Church. And I’m sure the protestors would also love to demand that any Jewish chaplains disavow Israel.

If certain students feel unsafe on a campus with a Hillel presence knowing that Hillel endorses Hillel International, which in turn endorses the State of Israel, those students have a right to an education free from harassment and threats to their safety, as well.

For example, many pro-Israel supporters have repeatedly justified the genocide in Gaza by falsely claiming that ALL Palestinians are members and active supporters of Hamas. If we take them at their word, why would a Palestinian student at Columbia or elsewhere feel safe with a Hillel presence on campus? Would you?

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Anonymous wrote:Today, around a hundred students assembled at UT, protested for a few hours, and dispersed without incident. Looks like UT has handled this the right way.

I’ll be surprised if this gets any national coverage.

https://x.com/thedailytexan/status/1787169510316818529?s=61&t=txL8mt-h7Q8BLpSNAiAzrQ

https://x.com/thedailytexan/status/1787191507725791383?s=61&t=txL8mt-h7Q8BLpSNAiAzrQ

Shame on UT for not protecting their Jewish students and letting Hamas just openly terrorize the campus.

I’ve been as critical of UCLA and Columbia as anyone for not protecting their Jewish students, but UT is drawing the line at the correct place, imo. These students have the right to speak, however offensive their speech may be. They do not have the right to “occupy” the campus and camp in tents and deny access to the campus to people who don’t share their views. The state police cleared out those who previously attempted to do this (a substantial proportion of which were not students), and they stood by today to make sure the protest did not get out of hand. In contrast to Columbia, the protestors said their piece and moved on, because they knew that further actions would not be tolerated. Columbia messed up by not reacting immediately. They kept “negotiating” and ignoring their own deadlines. Because the protestors were determined to have a confrontation, they kept having to push further and further until they did something that couldn’t be ignored. Texas took control immediately and suffered a one day media hit (that was popular in Texas) instead of letting it drag on for weeks. Now, they are allowing the students their first amendment rights, while maintaining control of their campus and protecting the rights of other students. Of course, it will be ignored by the national media.

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Both Texas and Florida have handled these protests correctly. Any school that is negotiating with protesters has already gotten it wrong.

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Anonymous wrote:This is antisemetism. A vile Zionist calls Jews who don’t fall in line, including Holocaust survivors “Token Jews”.

I listened to the entire thing (did you??) and he's absolutely right.

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Not sure about the others, but the first speaker couldn’t even articulate how her speech was being limited at all, it seemed obvious that she could only remember part of what she had been told to say when it was her turn.

Did you bother to listen to the others? Guess not.

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Jeff may give me another time out for posting this. But yeah - calling for eliminating Hillel is antisemitic. Yes, it is.

My problem is you can't have it both ways. You can't decry Palestinian protestors who have ties to national orgs, while saying this demand is a problem. A quick Google search shows that support for Israel is an official policy of Hillel and is funded by big donors, making it essentially political* despite its effectiveness for providing a safe space for Jewish students. I've also seen people protest Northwestern giving in to protestors who wanted a Palestinian/Muslim safe place. Make it equal.

I also think this Tweeter loses credibility because there is nothing pro-Hamas in that document.

*"Joel transformed the funding structure of Hillel International to rely more on private funding from large donors, many of whom were strong supporters of Israel. The influence of these large donors grew until support for Israel became an official policy of Hillel International in 2010."
https://www.influencewatch.org/non-profit/hillel-international/#:~:text=Joel%20transformed%20the%20funding%20structure,were%20strong%20supporters%20of%20Israel.

No student has a right to limit what other students can do based on a relationship with another nation’s politics. That’s pure discrimination based on nationality as well as viewpoint discrimination.

The problem is that "israel" is being equated with judiasm, or being Jewish.

I am an American Jew who supports Israel's right to exist and also supports the Palestinians right to exist, and hate Hamas and Likud equally.

Where do these movements leave someone like me?

they leave you in the majority. i'm an american jew who feels the exact same - and so do almost all the other jews i know. we are the MAJORITY.

groups like hillel are not out crying for the extermination of palestinians, either.

unlike the college protesters crying out for the erasure of people like us.

The semantics don't change the facts. If Hillel supports the State of Israel, that means that Hillel supports the direction taken by its leadership. Israel's leadership has demonstrated through its words and actions that it is intent on the extermination of Palestinians. Therefore, Hillel is not only supportive of genocide, but they shouldn't be permitted as a campus organization. Unless they change their charter to reflect support for Jewish students in the U.S. and redact the parts of their mission related to Israel, it's a problem that needs to be addressed. And yes, I feel the exact same way if there are other groups with charters that reflect a mission to aid or support any other foreign state.

no, that is not what it means. it is not what it means at all.

when trump was taking babies away from their parents at the border, did you support that? i sure as he** did not. when red states are taking away reproductive rights, do you support that? i do NOT.

there are massive protests IN ISRAEL over this war. do you know that? do you care? do you have any understanding of any of this? or are you just so comfortable in your judgments that why would you bother to learn?

i believe israel has a right to exist. i oppose this current israeli government as strongly as someone who is not an israeli citizen can. those two things are not in contradiction - and represent the views of MOST american jews.

NP. So why as a form of protest are you against people asking the campus Hillel groups to divest from Hillel international until they stop supporting the actions of the Israeli govt? As you say, plenty of Israeli people are protesting against the Israeli govt in Israel. The request is not anti Semitic. It’s yet another way to out pressure on the current govt.

For the record, I strongly think this is a two way street. I believe the protestors who are connected to Hamas should be called out. And counter-protestors are not only in the right, but I would argue have an obligation to point this out and ask protest groups/palestinian support groups etc to divest financially and from using the symbols of Hamas (like the picture of the guy with the terrorist headband).

where do you see hillel as being fans of netanyahu?! here are their guidelines - please point me to the part that you think means they want a one state solution because that isn't my experience with hillel and i don't see it anywhere.

https://www.hillel.org/israel-guidelines/

“ In 2016, Hillel International partnered with the Israeli government on Mosaic International, a $66 million initiative to promote pro-Israel sentiment in the United States. Hillel received $22 million from Mosaic.”

https://www.influencewatch.org/non-profit/hillel-international/#:~:text=In%202016%2C%20Hillel%20International%20partnered,received%20%2422%20million%20from%20Mosaic.


Nothing wrong with that of course. But also nothing wrong with asking campus Hillel groups (which primarily serve to support Jewish students) to pull back from Hillel international as a way to protest Israel’s actions.

because it’s none of the non-Hillel students business. It’s exactly like demanding Newman Centers break ties with the Church. And I’m sure the protestors would also love to demand that any Jewish chaplains disavow Israel.

The protestors absolutely have the right to ask their local Hillel groups to disavow the actions of Israel by breaking Hillel international. The local Hillel group can say “no”. And the campus policy should be to disclose affiliation with Israel. So that a Jewish student, who likes the sense of community at her campus Hillel but is angry at the Netanyahu govt, is aware that she is supporting the state of Israel with her participation.

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Anonymous wrote:So, this is a question for all pro Israeli posters. In the latest negotiations in Cairo, Hamas agreed to release all the hostages in exchange for an end to the war. However, Netanyahu refused this deal ( per Reuters, I haven’t seen this reported in U.S media).

I have seen hundreds of responses here saying that Hamas can end the killing of their people in one minute if they agree to release the hostages. But now we are finding out that it was never about the hostages, this is about Likud’s intentions for explanding Israel’s foot print and Netanyahu’s struggle to remain in power.

At this point if they don’t invade Rafah, Netanyahu is toast so here we are.

Please cite where Hamas agreed to release all the hostages.

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Anonymous wrote:I still can’t believe these schools are having their work crews clean up the mess that protesters left. Why aren’t the *protesters* required to clean it up??

https://www.wsj.com/us-news/education/police-move-in-on-ucla-protesters-after-tense-standoff-5403d55c?st=334ob5y4ehcndus&reflink=article_copyURL_share

Their families clearly didn't teach them at home to clean up after themselves. Find those parents and charge them.?

Such a stupid trope. The police move in, destroy the encampment, arrest the students and you are complaining about the mess left behind? It was left behind by the police not the students.

Cops had nothing to do with all stinking buckets and pails of you-know-what left behind. Try again.

You’d think these kids never heard of being stewards of their environment. Typical Democrat climate change fraudsters.

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Spoiled, entitled, virtue-signaling hypocrites.

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Anonymous wrote:The fact that Jews are not listened to when they identify antisemitism is evidence 101 of antisemitism. We are being 'mansplained' about what is or is not anti semistism.

And the vast majority of Jews are very clear that antisemitism is very very very visible right now. Yes there are outliers, but as the cnn speaker inartfully articulated most of those are people that have limited connection to their faith and certainly are not the jews most likely to be the target of antisemitic comments because they do not wear kippah or other outward signs of jewishnesd.

The idea of leaving it to Jews to decide what constitutes anti-semitism is, frankly, ludicrous.

There’s ample evidence that claims of anti-semitism are used to silence others. The label has been weaponized for political gain to the point where it’s basically unrecognizable.

Allowing the group that stands to benefit from using the label to decide what, where and when to use it makes as much sense as allowing someone to walk into their bank and insist that they get to tell the teller how much is in their account.

Interesting. So, you'd also argue that black people shouldn't be able to tell others what constitutes racism. Right?

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Anonymous wrote:This is antisemetism. A vile Zionist calls Jews who don’t fall in line, including Holocaust survivors “Token Jews”.

I listened to the entire thing (did you??) and he's absolutely right.

DP

Not sure about the others, but the first speaker couldn’t even articulate how her speech was being limited at all, it seemed obvious that she could only remember part of what she had been told to say when it was her turn.

Did you bother to listen to the others? Guess not.

I also listened to the second kid whine about “token Jews” and how his feelings were hurt by the “token Jew” who supposedly disavowed Judaism but then continued to wear religious garb and even held a Passover event. I don’t know, it was immature nonsense, as far as I’m concerned.

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Anonymous wrote:Unfortunately the accusations of antisemitism have been hurled around so excessively that the words have lost significance which is quite unfortunate.

Kind of like the word "racism"? I can't even believe this conversation. What disgusting irony, no doubt coming from those who accused anyone and everyone of being "racist" in the past few years.

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Anonymous wrote:The fact that Jews are not listened to when they identify antisemitism is evidence 101 of antisemitism. We are being 'mansplained' about what is or is not anti semistism.

And the vast majority of Jews are very clear that antisemitism is very very very visible right now. Yes there are outliers, but as the cnn speaker inartfully articulated most of those are people that have limited connection to their faith and certainly are not the jews most likely to be the target of antisemitic comments because they do not wear kippah or other outward signs of jewishnesd.

The idea of leaving it to Jews to decide what constitutes anti-semitism is, frankly, ludicrous.

There’s ample evidence that claims of anti-semitism are used to silence others. The label has been weaponized for political gain to the point where it’s basically unrecognizable.

Allowing the group that stands to benefit from using the label to decide what, where and when to use it makes as much sense as allowing someone to walk into their bank and insist that they get to tell the teller how much is in their account.

Is it ludicrous to believe women who say they’ve been sexually assaulted?

Is it ludicrous to listen to black people when they say that something is a micro aggression?

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Anonymous wrote:The fact that Jews are not listened to when they identify antisemitism is evidence 101 of antisemitism. We are being 'mansplained' about what is or is not anti semistism.

And the vast majority of Jews are very clear that antisemitism is very very very visible right now. Yes there are outliers, but as the cnn speaker inartfully articulated most of those are people that have limited connection to their faith and certainly are not the jews most likely to be the target of antisemitic comments because they do not wear kippah or other outward signs of jewishnesd.

The idea of leaving it to Jews to decide what constitutes anti-semitism is, frankly, ludicrous.

There’s ample evidence that claims of anti-semitism are used to silence others. The label has been weaponized for political gain to the point where it’s basically unrecognizable.

Allowing the group that stands to benefit from using the label to decide what, where and when to use it makes as much sense as allowing someone to walk into their bank and insist that they get to tell the teller how much is in their account.

Interesting. So, you'd also argue that black people shouldn't be able to tell others what constitutes racism. Right?

No, societal consensus sorts these details out. Besides, you don’t seem like the kind of person who would even agree to let anyone (and much less Palestinians) decide whether they are supporters of Hamas or not, and even call them pro-Hamas over and over again - without a shred of credible evidence to back it up.

Why don’t they get to decide what they support? For that matter … why doesn’t Hamas get to decide if they should be designated a terrorist organization?

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Anonymous wrote:The fact that Jews are not listened to when they identify antisemitism is evidence 101 of antisemitism. We are being 'mansplained' about what is or is not anti semistism.

And the vast majority of Jews are very clear that antisemitism is very very very visible right now. Yes there are outliers, but as the cnn speaker inartfully articulated most of those are people that have limited connection to their faith and certainly are not the jews most likely to be the target of antisemitic comments because they do not wear kippah or other outward signs of jewishnesd.

The idea of leaving it to Jews to decide what constitutes anti-semitism is, frankly, ludicrous.

There’s ample evidence that claims of anti-semitism are used to silence others. The label has been weaponized for political gain to the point where it’s basically unrecognizable.

Allowing the group that stands to benefit from using the label to decide what, where and when to use it makes as much sense as allowing someone to walk into their bank and insist that they get to tell the teller how much is in their account.

Is it ludicrous to believe women who say they’ve been sexually assaulted?

Is it ludicrous to listen to black people when they say that something is a micro aggression?

Do Palestinians get to decide if they are the victims of a genocide? Why not?

Yeah, it’s like that. You want the freedom to dictate what constitutes anti-semitism because you misuse it intentionally. But I’m betting you are NOT supportive of allowing Palestinians to determine whether they are the victims of a genocide. How can we reconcile these inconsistent views of yours?

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Anonymous wrote:So, this is a question for all pro Israeli posters. In the latest negotiations in Cairo, Hamas agreed to release all the hostages in exchange for an end to the war. However, Netanyahu refused this deal ( per Reuters, I haven’t seen this reported in U.S media).

I have seen hundreds of responses here saying that Hamas can end the killing of their people in one minute if they agree to release the hostages. But now we are finding out that it was never about the hostages, this is about Likud’s intentions for explanding Israel’s foot print and Netanyahu’s struggle to remain in power.

At this point if they don’t invade Rafah, Netanyahu is toast so here we are.

It was reported in the Wall Street Journal a few days ago. I’ve posted here about it twice. It said the right wing threatened to oust Netanyahu if he brokered a deal, including releasing the hostages. Crickets.

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Anonymous wrote:So, this is a question for all pro Israeli posters. In the latest negotiations in Cairo, Hamas agreed to release all the hostages in exchange for an end to the war. However, Netanyahu refused this deal ( per Reuters, I haven’t seen this reported in U.S media).

I have seen hundreds of responses here saying that Hamas can end the killing of their people in one minute if they agree to release the hostages. But now we are finding out that it was never about the hostages, this is about Likud’s intentions for explanding Israel’s foot print and Netanyahu’s struggle to remain in power.

At this point if they don’t invade Rafah, Netanyahu is toast so here we are.

Please cite where Hamas agreed to release all the hostages.

They did not. They will not even disclose how many are still alive.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:The fact that Jews are not listened to when they identify antisemitism is evidence 101 of antisemitism. We are being 'mansplained' about what is or is not anti semistism.

And the vast majority of Jews are very clear that antisemitism is very very very visible right now. Yes there are outliers, but as the cnn speaker inartfully articulated most of those are people that have limited connection to their faith and certainly are not the jews most likely to be the target of antisemitic comments because they do not wear kippah or other outward signs of jewishnesd.

The idea of leaving it to Jews to decide what constitutes anti-semitism is, frankly, ludicrous.

There’s ample evidence that claims of anti-semitism are used to silence others. The label has been weaponized for political gain to the point where it’s basically unrecognizable.

Allowing the group that stands to benefit from using the label to decide what, where and when to use it makes as much sense as allowing someone to walk into their bank and insist that they get to tell the teller how much is in their account.

Interesting. So, you'd also argue that black people shouldn't be able to tell others what constitutes racism. Right?

No, societal consensus sorts these details out. Besides, you don’t seem like the kind of person who would even agree to let anyone (and much less Palestinians) decide whether they are supporters of Hamas or not, and even call them pro-Hamas over and over again - without a shred of credible evidence to back it up.

Why don’t they get to decide what they support? For that matter … why doesn’t Hamas get to decide if they should be designated a terrorist organization?

Ok, now we know you're just a troll.