How will viewpoint diversity change American colleges?

[Anonymous]

Not all Catholics are conservative. Not all Catholic priests or scholars are conservative. And not all Catholic or Christian scholars are even in fields where they would ever need to reveal their political views to students.

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Anonymous wrote:Not all Catholics are conservative. Not all Catholic priests or scholars are conservative. And not all Catholic or Christian scholars are even in fields where they would ever need to reveal their political views to students.

Is it not implicit we would be discussing fields where political views are revealed? No one is upset that there aren't enough conservative mathematicians.

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Anonymous wrote:Not all Catholics are conservative. Not all Catholic priests or scholars are conservative. And not all Catholic or Christian scholars are even in fields where they would ever need to reveal their political views to students.

Is it not implicit we would be discussing fields where political views are revealed? No one is upset that there aren't enough conservative mathematicians.

It is, in fact, not implicit. First, I don't think the "viewpoint diversity" crowd is operating in that much good faith. Second, I am a social scientist, and I don't think that just because someone is in a field related to...society in any way...it's necessary or responsible for them to share their political views. We deal in data.

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Anonymous wrote:Not all Catholics are conservative. Not all Catholic priests or scholars are conservative. And not all Catholic or Christian scholars are even in fields where they would ever need to reveal their political views to students.

Is it not implicit we would be discussing fields where political views are revealed? No one is upset that there aren't enough conservative mathematicians.

It is, in fact, not implicit. First, I don't think the "viewpoint diversity" crowd is operating in that much good faith. Second, I am a social scientist, and I don't think that just because someone is in a field related to...society in any way...it's necessary or responsible for them to share their political views. We deal in data.

Many social scientists don't: anthropologists, qualitative sociology, ethnic studies... Asian American studies is a deeply political subject, for example, and many in that field find the subject itself is a political project to inform students on how to build their notion of a better future.

[Anonymous]

Viewpoint diversity = reasserting the dominance of conservative white male viewpoint.

[Anonymous]

The word "conservative" is doing a lot of work here. There aren't a lot of MAGA Republicans, if any, who have the academic chops to teach at a university. There's no intellectual heft among MAGA Republicans. No meaning. No nothing. Just pure tribalism and corruption.

And older conservatives like David Brooks and Andrew Sullivan and George Will and so on who do have the academic chops to teach are repelled by the Trump Republicans.

So which group of "conservatives" is a university supposed to hire from? Choose the second group and MAGA will still be outraged.

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Anonymous wrote:The word "conservative" is doing a lot of work here. There aren't a lot of MAGA Republicans, if any, who have the academic chops to teach at a university. There's no intellectual heft among MAGA Republicans. No meaning. No nothing. Just pure tribalism and corruption.

And older conservatives like David Brooks and Andrew Sullivan and George Will and so on who do have the academic chops to teach are repelled by the Trump Republicans.

So which group of "conservatives" is a university supposed to hire from? Choose the second group and MAGA will still be outraged.

That's my issue. The conservatives with serious research and background mostly already work for the top schools. Brooks is working at Yale and has had previous work at Uchicago. Shields, who wrote the article OP linked, is a full Professor at Claremont McKenna College. What more do these conservatives want?

[Anonymous]

Why don't writers like Jon Shields become university presidents, provosts, etc? A lot of complaining but they never amass actual leadership

[Anonymous]

Don't conservatives believe in pulling yourself up by your bootstraps? Why don't they work hard enough to become faculty members, despite the odds.

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Anonymous wrote:Hopefully it results in less leftist indoctrination and more education.

Define leftist indoctrination and why wouldn't right-leaning indoctrination occur? Much of Sherif Girgis's viewpoint is informed by Catholicism, which is a mythical belief in a sky daddy that informs a chosen aristocrat to tell you to love and hate certain people by twisting sacred texts. That isn't very educating, just propaganda sanctioned by a religion.

Your response is a great example of leftist indoctrination.

I'm a Christian and probably far more moderate than you. The Catholic Church is just an absolute joke and easily the worst institutional force in our human history.

Go away.

Where’s your interest in viewpoint diversity?

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Anonymous wrote:Hopefully it results in less leftist indoctrination and more education.

Define leftist indoctrination and why wouldn't right-leaning indoctrination occur? Much of Sherif Girgis's viewpoint is informed by Catholicism, which is a mythical belief in a sky daddy that informs a chosen aristocrat to tell you to love and hate certain people by twisting sacred texts. That isn't very educating, just propaganda sanctioned by a religion.

Your response is a great example of leftist indoctrination.

I'm a Christian and probably far more moderate than you. The Catholic Church is just an absolute joke and easily the worst institutional force in our human history.

Tell that to Georgetown.

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Anonymous wrote:The word "conservative" is doing a lot of work here. There aren't a lot of MAGA Republicans, if any, who have the academic chops to teach at a university. There's no intellectual heft among MAGA Republicans. No meaning. No nothing. Just pure tribalism and corruption.

And older conservatives like David Brooks and Andrew Sullivan and George Will and so on who do have the academic chops to teach are repelled by the Trump Republicans.

So which group of "conservatives" is a university supposed to hire from? Choose the second group and MAGA will still be outraged.

This X1000. There actually ARE and have been many conservative professors now. After all they are predominantly boomer aged white males. They aren’t MAGA though and Trump/Miller are a greater threat to their conservative ideology than any liberal.

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Anonymous wrote:Are there even an abundance of conservative professors?

They're nestled in at Claremont McKenna, Baylor, Hillsdale, University of Austin, a few at Stanford, BYU. They tend to be very prominent in law school, because like religion, law is a made up practice with a ton of circular reasoning that can justify cruelty.

Lolololol

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Anonymous wrote:Don't conservatives believe in pulling yourself up by your bootstraps? Why don't they work hard enough to become faculty members, despite the odds.

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We need to pull people back from the edges of both sides and get them to actually think.

Right now, a lot of people are acting like the adults in The Emperor's New Clothes. Everyone sees the same thing, but they're so caught up in what they're supposed to believe or say that nobody wants to point it out. The truth isn't always complicated. Sometimes it's as obvious as it was in that story—it just takes someone willing to say what the child said and call it for what it is.